Posts tagged faith
thoughts on “Jesus Loves You…” by Craig Gross and Jason Harper – PART 3
Feb 13th
I find myself wanting to advocate justice for the hurting and pronouncing judgment on the religious. in this, i have become the very thing i despise… I am quick to offer grace to the rebellious and wayward. but i am slow in offering to the religious, if i offer it at all. yet i must.
I see this… in me.
We are never going to be friends or hang out with everyone we come across… some people just shouldn’t be together – whether because of past history, wrongs committed against each other, just can’t get along, or whatever else; there are people in my life that I just needed to leave behind and break relationship with and vice versa for one reason or another, and I would imagine that is the case in almost everyone’s life…
… but if you are a Christian, how do we still go in Christ’s commands to love God, your neighbor, your enemy, your brothers and sisters in Christ?
As much as I have tried to orient myself to live a life of grace and love towards people, I have had very little tolerance for those who are judgmental, or those who spend hours upon hours writing or speaking about how the culture around us is the biggest problem in life, how America should be changed back to a Christian nation (whatever that means) or what movies/TV shows/books Christians should see/read, or what author/pastor/church member are heretics, who put their trust in changing people and the culture around them through politics and laws – or who inevitably link Christianity to being an American/being a Republican, etc…
So, I just aired my “crap” list and nullified my whole message, huh?
And there’s the point… we all do this. That list is still probably a short list of those I judge or have judged with an un-Christlike heart and mind… and I am wrong - I am the very thing that I dislike! “We” are wrong. It’s not that we shouldn’t discern against things we shouldn’t watch, or desire to see a Nation (or every Nation if we are to take the “Great Commandment“) of people seek and respond to Christ’s love and in turn with His help, change those things that are not best for us in our lives (as Penn said – “If you think you have the Truth and don’t share it, how much do you hate me” to paraphrase).
As Christians…
my “Avatar” experience…
Jan 3rd
like so many others… I went to see “Avatar” this week.
I had heard from a few of my friends what an amazing movie it was. I had also heard from a few other people, that I should be wary of it/or not see it at all, because it teaches “Pantheism” (and we realize we can’t interact with stuff that teaches something different from our faith… we call that “discernment”
) Please don’t get me wrong, I do believe in discernment (Ex: I stay away from the “American Pie” movies – they just aren’t the right movies for me to watch), but a movie here about a different belief system didn’t keep me away.
So here’s a couple of quick thoughts as I experienced this movie:
- The Experience: It was a cinematic experience unlike I have ever had (we saw it in 3-D at the IMAX). The colors, creations and flow of the movie was amazing. 2 hours and 40 minutes went by in what felt like 15 minutes. It was an experience… an amazing one! (if I wasn’t very clear… I thought it was quite the “experience”!!!)
- The Story: I had read an article ahead of time saying it was repackaged Pantheism. Not sure what they meant by repackaged, it was pretty blatent in it’s story of Pantheism (the view that everything is part of an all-encompassing immanent God and that the Universe (Nature) and God are equivalent), no hiding here. As a Christian I do have a little different take and belief of God and Nature; I do believe in a personal God… I do believe in Jesus as savior… I do believe God created everything, not just exists in nature…. But I also thought their was some beauty in the story. I know I will probably get criticized by my conservative buddies for saying that, “How can there be any beauty in a story that’s wrong/false…?”, but the love story woven in between two of the main characters was pretty cool. And the way Na’vi people banded together and lived as a community was awesome too. And I loved the conscience and actions of a few of the humans realizing obliterating the land and the Na’vi people for their own consumption was just wrong…all these could be a few lessons that could apply to us now in real life. Yes, I don’t subscribe to the Pantheistic belief, but the story kept me interested and engaged the whole time.
- The Graphics/Colors: Unreal is all I can say… So, so cool. A+++
- Overall: Glad we saw it, was worth every minute. We got to see it with a few friends/family. I look forward to the conversations with people about it. Whatever other peoples’ views are on Pantheism or Christianity or whatever, it should be pretty fun to interact with those who see it. I give it an “A” for the experience alone. My hope for the Christian community is that we will be there to discuss and listen to the stories and beliefs of those around us and be able to respectfully and lovingly discuss the themes of the story. I recommend seeing it if you feel comfortable doing so!!
Other thoughts about the movie??? Have you seen it? What did you think?
“Deep Church” by Jim Belcher… beginning thoughts.
Nov 16th

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As usual, Kevin, has me reading a book with him that he really thinks is great.
This book is called, “Deep Church” by Jim Belcher, and seeks to take a look at the discussion (or sometimes worse, the fight) between the Emerging and Tradition sides in Evangelical Christianity. His premise is they might be a third way actually… beyond these to sides of the coin, and deeper.
I’m only 3 chapters in, so this will probably be brief – but there is something that has consumed me more than anything else in this book…
It is the author’s desire and repeated statements of the necessity of these two groups to come together, learn from one another, walk together and be one in spirit. The author makes a point of asking how we can be Christians, but be unwilling to work together or love one another… therefore negating what Jesus says when He says, “As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (John 13:34-35).
The normal response to the love thing I hear from each side is:
- Traditionalist’s: “Loving does not mean letting everything go and not telling someone where they are wrong. We can’t just let Heresy continue under the guise of love. Emerging people want all happineess, good feelings and emotions – with no substance. Love is standing on truth and correcting people as much as it’s about embracing people, if not more so…”
- Emerging’s: “All we ever get from the “Mainstream Church” is we are so wrong. You’ve got to hit ‘em with the truth and get hands raised or the sinners prayer prayed (that doesn’t mean there life has to change by the way, just as long as we get them to church and get them to receive their fire insurance), but where is the love and grace and letting people be who they are. What’s wrong with good feelings and emotions, I believe in truth, but my truth may not be someone else’s truth. It’s not my job to tell everyone where they are wrong… isn’t that God’s job?”
So we’ve got the gate-keepers of heaven (Traditionalists) on one side, and the feel good, it’s all good lovers (Emerging) on the other side…
How do we ever bridge the gap…?
Seriously, how do these two groups come together and share the truly, all-incompasing “Good News” that Jesus offers (not just “good truth” or “good feelings”)? Or do they really need to? I have heard way too often, at least subtly, that the Traditionalists aren’t even sure most Emerging’s are Christians and so don’t see how they need to line up with Heretics – cause isn’t that who they are battling… Heretics? And the Emergings can’t figure out why they need to align with Traditionalists who have butchered the Gospel and made the Good News into a prayer, and church into a show where you come to hear one guy monologue for awhile and who kick out and oustrsize all the people who Jesus would have loved and hung out with…
Being in both camps at some point in my life, I agree with Jim Belcher that they need to find a way to come together. Both have valid concerns, valid points and can learn from each other… while being corrected and changed by each other. But when both sides can be so polarized towards one another, I wonder if it can ever happen – or if you listen to some of them, it really shouldn’t and can’t happen.
Maybe they can’t come together… maybe it’s just not possible. The Apostle Paul and Barnabas went separate for awhile. But I wonder if Paul and Barnabas still believed they were part of the same movement, part of the life changing message of Jesus (I believe they did). I’m not sure if the Traditionalist and Emerging’s truly believe or agree that they are part of the same movement (although my experience has been more of the Traditionalists don’t believe they are part of the same movement, more than the Emerging’s I am around – but this is probably just an isolated experience.) … part of the same church/Body of Christ.
What do you think? Does it matter? Is the author (or myself as well) way off on thinking this is important? Is this just another rabbit trail, side issue that really isn’t an issue in most parts of the faith?
quick review of: “Jesus Loves You…” by Craig Gross and Jason Harper
Aug 5th
First off, let me say I am a big fan of Craig Gross and the XXXChurch.com! I love what they are doing and how they are living life. So of course I was going to read this book…
“Jesus Loves You… This I Know” by Craig Gross and Jason Harper is a simple book, and I mean that in the best way possible. The authors take you on a journey of how and why Jesus makes such a difference in their life and why they believe He would make a difference to you.
These guys are more than just words though, they actually live it. As Craig puts it “So, as you read this book, don’t assume that because two pastors wrote it, we are your typical Sunday morning TV preachers. We aren’t. We spend most of our time outside the church with unchurched people. We don’t care if they are people who can’t pay their cable bill or people who perform for videos that show up on late-night cable.” These guys are actually out in community, out with real people of all thoughts and lifestyles – with the kind of people Jesus got criticized for hanging out with. Especially in Craig’s case, where the church often does either nothing with sex or pornography in hopes that by not talking about it that it will just go away – or they go they other way and constantly preach sermons berating people about it, ostracize and kick people out who struggle or reveal a hint of struggle, but never engage and help the men (and women) who are fighting through it.
This book is about how deeply Jesus loves everyone and the examples in Craig and Jason’s lives of how God is working that out through them and their ministries. The book though is certainly not one of “everything is all good and do whatever you feel like doing”, but it is about loving people where they are at and hoping that someday people will see the love and grace that Jesus offers – and let it into their lives.
“Doesn’t matter what you do or who you are: Jesus. Loves. You.” (page 16)
That’s the book – simple, but so important and so true.
More Information on the book:
- JesusLovesYou.net – official site
- Download Chapter 1 PDF of “Jesus Loves You… This I Know”
- Download Chapter 1 Audio Sample of “Jesus Loves You… This I Know”
- Buy “Jesus Loves You… This I Know” from Amazon.com
- My review of “Jesus Loves Me… This I Know” on Amazon.com
- My review of “Jesus Loves Me… This I Know” on barnesandnoble.com
Christian Bumper stickers — part 3… “if i did put stickers on my car…”
Jul 28th

- Image by dragon762w via Flickr
here’s my last section – “if i did put stickers on my car…”. obviously these are the ones i like and would use to represent my thoughts and feelings if i put stickers on my car. i don’t put bumper stickers on my car, but i like these…
hope you enjoyed all 3 sections – i know i enjoyed going through all of them when i posted each section (even the “SAD” ones i guess).
anyway -here’s the ones i like:

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